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Author: Rick AWSB Source: X,@RickAwsb
The Twitter of ZKSYNC and Solana’s two founders is a rare master. Their understanding of ecological underlying logic will determine the direction of EVM ecology and Solana ecology.
This is an important information that every investor must read carefully!
The sorting is as follows:
Discuss a push that originated from a fund manager @justin_bons:
“No matter what you think of SOL today, at least SOL is trying, and ETH has given up the expansion a long time ago. The actual daily usage of SOL has exceeded 1,000tps! And ETH has been in the past three years.Having stagnated on 100TPS, they have no place anymore! “
@ZKSYNC’s founder Alex@Gluk64 wrote a long push reply:
“1K TPS is just a global demand for Web3. The Internet cannot rely on a single server operation. The value of the Internet cannot rely on a large blockchain operation of a single. No matter how fast it is, no matter how decentralized it is to sacrifice.
The ultimate goal is the strange point of zero knowledge proof:
可 Thousands of super chains that do not need to be permitted, each chain has thousands of TPS; ⧫ zero knowledge proof of each block of each chain aggregate into one block;Complete on the settlement layer (GM Ethereum!);
Each of millions of transactions is verified by each user on each smartphone, and within less than 1 second (if each user cannot verify, is it really a blockchain?)
TLDR: Zero knowledge proves that unlimited extensions have been achieved, and there is no compromise (yes, in the long run, we can also solve the problem of data usability; most data will be hosted by end users).
But what about user experience and liquidity fragmentation?
Each user of these chains will be able to interact with any contract or user in other chains within a few seconds -no additional cost or trust assumptions.You only need to confirm a wallet, and you can immediately confirm that today we can send an email from any mailbox to any other mailbox.
Liquidity will be freely flowing between the zero -knowledge super chain without trusting the verifications or bridges between these chains.
Some of these chains will be private and protect privacy (operated by banks and financial institutions), but can still be seamlessly operated with the rest of the ecosystem.This will create a few times the effect of the network effect on the world’s previous world.”
Netizens asked:
Alex, what do you think is the reason why people from solana see this?Do you think this is just economic reason, or is there any other factors that we have not explained clearly?
Alex’s reply:
@Justin_bons and @aeyakovenko (founder of Solana), what do you think?
“Don’t consider faction, let us strengthen each other’s arguments.
I admire Solana’s firm commitment to its arguments: to promote the boundary that can be processed by a single blockchain engine.Its innovation is excellent, especially in parallel execution and local expense market.This is something that all second -level solutions must be embraced.
There are some truths in this statement. Different second -layer solutions may lead to fragmentation of user experience and liquidity.We will start with independent, infinitely scalable zero -knowledge second -level ecosystems.At first, the@ZKSYNC’s super chain will be infinitely scalable. They will be able to interoperate seamlessly, but they cannot operate with Polygon or Scroll.But as long as there is a successful zero -knowledge ecosystem, it is enough to achieve this vision.In the end, we may move towards Ethereum to establish a single L2 bridge contract, which will connect all the solutions.”
TOLY,@AEYAKOVENKO, Solana Founder, join the discussion, reply Alex:
“Zero -knowledge proof (ZKPS) is really great! But they cannot solve the problem of database hotspots. If it can be solved, there will be about $ 100 billion database revenue.Two problems that work hard to solve are at a speed synchronization state, and to deal with as many concurrency in a single atomic state machine., But not the goal. “
alex Reply:
“You did not strengthen my argument.
Yes, you can build an efficient database status synchronization engine that can process 1,000,000TPS.
But how should users in this system verify it?
It is not feasible to synchronize 1,000,000TPS by using zero knowledge.Asynchronous treatment is no problem.Verification time: & lt; 1 second.”
Toly Reply:
Run a complete node.Those who get higher value than running a complete node will do so.
alex Reply:
To deal with a complete node of 1,000,000tps, a computing cluster (huge computing power) is required.
Thank you, I would rather choose to verify zero knowledge proof on my mobile phone.
Toly Reply:
One million TPS may only need less than 16 cores.You can verify that zero knowledge proof is really good.But as I said, I am concerned about the largest concurrency heat and simultaneous synchronization at the speed of light.In any case, this is a high -bandwidth -wide available system.
alex Reply:
The saying “1 million is 16 cores” is very superficial because Solana’s TPS peak today is only 1,000.Moreover, in the actual use of 1 million TPS, how many PB status does I need to keep in RAM to maintain this speed?
Toly Reply:
Transactions can occupy more computing units or less computing units.The system only needs to keep the number that matches the state processed simultaneously in RAM.A 64K transaction processed on 16 cores at a time, using 10MB, less than 1GB.
What is our debate here?Solana is the most effective atomic single -state machine of the global synchronization speed as fast as possible.If zero knowledge proves that it is helpful in this regard, it will use it.The purpose of the system lies in its function.
If a zero -knowledge proof system cannot complete that specific task, it is not important whether it can handle 10M TPS.It doesn’t matter if you have functions with other systems.Users will choose to choose the most effective solution for them.
alex Reply:
This argument is: If the highest efficiency of the status synchronization system is about 1,000tps, then you definitely need to use zero -knowledge proof to realize the real global verification and calculation scale (proved parallelization and recursive proof of proof).
I questioned the arguments of unrealistic requirements for users who could significantly increase throughput without raising a complete node.
Another netizen asked:
If within any 48 -hour window in 2024, ZKSYNC’s continuous TPS does not reach 1000TPS. At the same time, use ETH L1 as a data availability layer. What would you do?
alex Reply:
@ZKSYNC Era∎ -A separate ZK Stack Super Chain instance -continued to maintain 60tps during the inscription fanatics, exceeding any other second -layer solution
During the peak period, the TPS it measured was 200.Today, you only need to deploy 4 extra ZK Stack super chains to reach 1000TPS.
