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Editor’s Note: In this interview, SBF discusses his life in prison, his interactions with Diddy, the Democratic betrayal of him, the future of cryptocurrencies, and his reflection on effective altruism.SBF describes the monotony and challenges of prison life, reflects on the reasons for the FTX collapse, and criticizes the Securities and Exchange Commission’s (SEC) regulation of the cryptocurrency industry.Although he still believes in the principles of effective altruism, he acknowledges that helping others requires deeper understanding.The interview also touches on SBF’s sense of uncertainty about the future and his dilemma in law and relationships.
The following is the original content (to facilitate reading comprehension, the original content has been compiled):
What is life in prison?
Tucker Carlson: Where are you now?
SBF: I was in the NDC in Brooklyn, in a small room.
Tucker Carlson: How is this?How long have you been here?
SBF: I’ve been in jail for about two years.
Tucker Carlson: What was that experience?
SBF: It’s a bit dystopian, and luckily, there’s no physical danger in my place.And to be honest, a lot of the staff here are really trying to help, and they do what they can do under the current restrictions.But after all, no one wants to go to jail.You can imagine that if you lock 40 people in a room, they all have been charged with crimes at least, and the keys have been thrown away for several years.In this case, even the most trivial matter will become their only concern.
Tucker Carlson: Is that true?Have you encountered any problems?
SBF: Nothing particularly serious, like I haven’t been attacked or something.But I encountered many logistical problems, the most serious thing was that I could hardly obtain legal information when I was on trial.Usually, the process of the trial day is that they wake me up at four in the morning, and I tossed in various buses, vans and waiting rooms for five hours until the trial began in the morning.Then the court was held until five in the afternoon, and then went through four hours of waiting room and transportation. It was already nine in the evening when I returned to the cell, and I had already missed the time to check the legal documents.This is the biggest obstacle to my case.
Tucker Carlson: Then what do you do when you are not in court?
SBF: There is nothing to do in prison. I read books and started reading novels again. I occasionally play chess and do my best to prepare for my legal cases.I have appeals and other legal matters, and I will do my best to do whatever I can.But the most devastating thing in prison is the lack of meaningful things to do.
Tucker Carlson: Honestly, we haven’t talked about it before, but I’ve been following you.I also want to say that no matter what a person is accused or done, I feel sorry for all those who are in jail and I don’t think people should be locked up.
Tucker Carlson: Of course, I know the law requires that it be done, but I really feel bad for everyone in prison.You can call me “liberal”, but I have to say that after two years in prison, you look healthier than before and are not as nervous as you are.
SBF: You know, I have a lot of time to reflect on how to communicate with people.Looking back, I don’t think I’m doing a good job in communication, especially when the crisis just broke out, and in the next month.I made a mistake I often make – I indulge in details and forget to grasp the overall situation.
Do SBF take medication before jail?
Tucker Carlson: Every time I see you on TV, I feel like you’re excited as if you’re having Adderall.But now you don’t look like that. Did you really not take it at that time?
SBF: No, I don’t.My mind was almost stagnant because there were so many things to deal with.Normally, during FTX, I would go to interviews, but as the interview was conducted, there might be two urgent issues in the company that need to be solved.So I responded to messages with Slack while being interviewed.Also, I knew there was something else to do after the interview, and I hadn’t had time to prepare, so I was trying to plan ahead in my mind.
Tucker Carlson: So the digital world may not be good for us?What do you think?You are now forced to stay away from your phone, which should be quite a big deal, right?
SBF: That’s true, but if I had chosen, I would still prefer the digital world.Ultimately, for me it’s not about enjoyment, entertainment or leisure, it’s about productivity and the ability to make an impact in the world.From this perspective, without a digital world, it would be extremely difficult to do anything.
SBF meets Diddy in prison
Tucker Carlson: Did you make friends there?How are you having fun with Diddy?I heard he was inside, too.
SBF: Yes, he is.But… I don’t know what to say.He is quite friendly to me.I made some friends, too.The environment here is very strange. There are a few people with high-profile cases similar to me, and there are many young people, or some so-called former gang members, etc.
Tucker Carlson: It’s indeed a “so-called” former gang member.So, how about Diddy himself?
SBF: I only saw him, and he diddy in reality.He is very kind to everyone here, and so is he to me.But this is a place that no one wants to stay after all. Obviously he doesn’t want to, and I don’t want to.As he said, this is a place for anyone to destroy the soul.Moreover, all we can contact here are the people around us who are also in it, not the outside world.
Tucker Carlson: Yeah, I can imagine it.Moreover, you two are the most well-known prisoners in the world and are still locked in the same unit.What do other people, such as those armed robbers, think of you?
SBF: This is a very interesting question.Of course, some people may think that this is an opportunity to meet people from different circles, and they never have the chance to meet us.From their perspective, this idea is actually logical, although it is not the case for me at all.
Tucker Carlson: So that’s not what you think, right?
SBF: No, but sometimes, laughing may be the only thing you can do.Do you know?These people are very good at playing chess, and this is one thing I learned here.For example, many of the armed robbers in the past did not know how to speak English and might not even graduate from junior high school, but they played chess very well.Of course, I’m not saying they are chess masters, but their level is far beyond my expectations. I often lose to them and I never expected this to happen.
SBF’s perspective changes after jail
Tucker Carlson: Have these experiences changed your opinion?
SBF: I think this is just part of the broader perception.One of the most profound things I have learned in my life, which I still haven’t fully understood yet, is that what we call IQ and IQ are of course important, and hard work is also important, but in addition to this, there are some things that we cannot accurately define.I have not found a suitable word to describe it yet.But some people, with these indescribable qualities, show extremely outstanding abilities and even surpass everyone’s expectations.
Of course, not everyone has these traits, and everyone’s situation is different.But at FTX, we often encounter this situation – some people, from their resume, have almost no highlights and no relevant experience, but ultimately surpass most people in the company.They are resilient, intuitive, and have a firm sense of commitment, and they know how to work, how to collaborate with others, and how to quickly find solutions to problems.These things are often more important than simple IQ or experience.
Tucker Carlson: Yeah, I’ve seen a lot of people who make a lot of money in the financial field, they look very stupid, but obviously they have some kind of talent that I can’t understand.They are like that in my eyes.
SBF: Huh?I’m curious about what type of people you’re talking about.I’ve worked on Wall Street before, and there are indeed all kinds of people there.
Despite the large donation of funds from SBF, Democrats refuse to rescue him
Tucker Carlson: I don’t want to explore too much about your case details, but overall, your company seems to have intended to build political relationships through political donations.This is not surprising, many entrepreneurs do this, and it can even be said to be an industry practice.But you donated so much money to the Democrats and I thought they would save you in the end.Where are your Democratic friends?They usually keep their own people from going to jail, like Tony Podesta, it’s okay, why did you go in?
SBF: Obviously I can only guess the answer because I can’t know what they really think.But there is one fact that may be worth noting – even in 2020, I was center-left and I donated money to Biden’s campaign.I was optimistic at the time that he would be a solid centre-left president.In the following years, I often went to Washington, where I stayed for a long time, and made dozens of visits.But I was shocked by what I saw, and the direction of this administration was not ideal.By mid-to-late 2022, I had already started donating money to the Republican Party privately, about the same amount as I had to the Democratic Party.And, just before and after the FTX crash, this fact began to be known.
Tucker Carlson: Why are you shocked?I know you have been in Washington for a long time and have had contact with many politicians.What shocked you?
SBF: Some things are more extreme than what I was originally worried about, such as cryptocurrency regulation.I never thought the Democrats would do well in financial regulation as a whole, but there were some good people within both parties and a lot of well-thought-out policy makers.
But the SEC under Gary Gensler is simply a nightmare existence.For example, if a company wants to provide a product or service in the United States, the SEC will sue them directly on the grounds that they are not registered.But if the company goes to Gensler, expresses its willingness to register and asks what category it should be registered, the SEC’s answer is usually – “There is no registration category that suits you”, and there is even no solution at all.
They ask companies to obtain certain licenses, but they don’t know how to issue them.Basically, the entire cryptocurrency industry is trapped by this situation.This is a very disturbing phenomenon I have seen.
Tucker Carlson: Can you explain it in detail?As laymen like me can see, Gary Gensler is obviously corrupt, and everyone knows this.But what is his motivation?What exactly does he want?
SBF: Although I can’t get into his brain, I can share some impressions.He likes to control power very much, of course, many people like to be in power, and he is no exception.To some extent, it is a power struggle.He wants his institution to have greater power, even if he doesn’t have real plans to drive the industry, but just wants to stop the entire industry from moving forward.For example, he asks all crypto companies to register with him, but if these companies don’t look for him, he will lose power.Even if he didn’t know how to supervise these companies, he still wanted them to be under his jurisdiction.
There are many rumors about him (Gary Gensler), saying that he is very politically ambitious and feels that if he can expose enough in media such as MSNBC, express enough opinions, and shape his image, he may one day become an important position like the Minister of Finance.It is unusual for him to succeed as one of the representatives of the Democratic Party’s financial regulation field.
Tucker Carlson: Interesting, it sounds very much in Washington style, and I’ve seen similar situations before.
SBF: It’s not for moral considerations, nor because he has a deep-rooted communist belief or something, right?
Tucker Carlson: Yes, I know that’s not the case.His driving force is more like a personal interest than a certain firm belief.Well, when things start to get worse and you are criminally charged, or realizing that you might be criminally charged, you donated that much money to the Democrats before.
Business-wise, donors usually call politicians they have funded and say, “Hey, I’m in trouble, can you help me?” Have you contacted Chuck Schumer or other politicians you have supported to ask them to put pressure on the Biden administration’s Justice Department to help you get out of your worries?
SBF: I didn’t, for multiple reasons.First of all, I don’t want to do anything inappropriate.Second, many people quickly made their position and quickly distanced themselves from me.By that time, my relationship with the Republican Party in Washington might be better than with the Democratic Party, although the outside world is not clear about this and it won’t be that obvious from the outside.
SBF: There is actually a more complex story behind this, involving a law firm that plays an unusual role in the case.But before I gave up control of FTX and even filed for bankruptcy, the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) had already made up her mind to deal with me.
Tucker Carlson: So you’re not trying to pull a relationship or ask for help?interesting.So, how do you view the future of cryptocurrencies?Obviously, your feelings about the topic may be complicated due to your experience, after all, you used to run a cryptocurrency company but are now in jail for it.But you know a lot about the industry and the cryptocurrency sector is developing very quickly.What do you think of its future direction?I know this question is a bit strange to you, but I can’t help but want to ask.
The future of cryptocurrency under Trump
SBF: Well, I hope the future will be better.Look at what the Trump administration said when he took office, many places are positive.Compared with the current government, there are many differences.Especially the direction taken by the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC).
Obviously, execution is the most important thing, and we are actually at this stage now – we will see how it will develop in the future.In fact, it is not surprising that government change sometimes brings changes, but financial regulators are huge, and they are not the kind of institutions that can change instantly.They have played a big hindrance in the cryptocurrency space over the past decade.You see, the United States has a 30% share of global finance, but only about 5% of the cryptocurrency market, which is entirely a regulatory issue.It is particularly difficult for the United States to cooperate in this regard.
SBF: So the big question is, when the real challenge comes, will the current government make the necessary decisions and find the right way to implement them?
Tucker Carlson: I remember when cryptocurrencies first appeared in the public eye, everyone’s opinion was that it was a currency that could restore individuals to their business freedom.In other words, I can buy and sell things without government control and guarantee privacy.But obviously, this has never happened and it seems like it will never happen.Now it seems that cryptocurrency is nothing more than another asset scam.Why is there anything about privacy?How did all this change?
SBF: Actually, this has something to do with technology, such as payment methods like remittance – these are not just investment issues, many people once thought that cryptocurrencies could bring changes to the world.You see, these things usually progress slower than investment.In fact, the rise of social media is similar. You will see bubbles growing and rupture, changing very rapidly, while the development of technology is based on a longer-term basis.
Now, cryptocurrencies are not yet developed enough to be a tool that a quarter of the world’s population can use every day.The goal has not been achieved, but it is not far away.If – this is a hypothesis – the industry continues to improve rather than being overly distracted by market price fluctuations, then in five to ten years, you can imagine a world like this: by then, anyone can have a crypto wallet, even a billion people can use it every day, and can guarantee privacy, security, fast, cheap, internationalization – everything that was originally promised, not being dispersed by gimmicks and hype.
Tucker Carlson: Do you think governments will allow this to happen?If the global population is really allowed to conduct financial transactions without government control, wouldn’t the government collapse immediately?
SBF: Actually, there is a lot of discussion about the degree of regulatory control. If you look at examples like Bitcoin, the wallet is anonymous, but every transaction has a public ledger.Therefore, the government can obtain some degree of information without complete control.
But it should be noted that not all governments in the world have the same view on this matter.The U.S. government has had a view on global monetary affairs over the past 30 years, and countries such as France have also had similar positions.Another point you see is that it is more authoritative, and even in many dictatorial countries, this kind of control is more closed.And half of the world’s countries are not actually trying to conduct such large-scale government intervention in daily financial transactions like the United States.
Is SBF still money?
Tucker Carlson: Do you still have money after going through these things?
SBF: Basically, no.The company I owned before has gone bankrupt.Without intervention, it now has about $15 billion in liabilities and about $93 billion in assets.So the theoretical answer is yes, there was enough money to pay everyone back then or now, and there was even a lot of interest remaining and left tens of billions of dollars for investors.But things didn’t go that way.Instead, everything was involved in bankruptcy, and assets were quickly consumed by the controllers, who drew tens of billions of dollars worth of funds.This was a huge disaster.My failure to stop this from happening is the biggest regret in my life.
Tucker Carlson: You know everyone in the crypto industry.Before the allegations and all this happens, you are one of the most famous people in the industry.Be as honest as possible, do you consider yourself the biggest criminal in the crypto industry?
SBF: I don’t think that’s a crime.So the answer is obviously no.I think the Justice Department might think I am, but I don’t care what they think.
Tucker Carlson: You’re in jail now.Anyway, this is what they say.But I wonder, I have indeed criticized your business and other similar businesses in the past.However, I won’t go into the details of your case as it’s too complicated.I just want to ask, do you think there are a lot of shady behaviors in the crypto industry?To be honest.
SBF: Yes, the answer was obviously yes 10 years ago, at least relative to the size of the industry.You see around 2014 to 2017, the industry was much smaller than it is now, and a lot of transactions—or at least a large part of them—are used for some less glorious uses.For example, Silk Road, people buying drugs online was one of the common uses of cryptocurrencies at that time.Obviously, there will be criminals in any industry, but over time, this part of the industry has dropped significantly.Partly due to growth in other areas of crypto, and also to the greater government involvement in anti-money laundering.So, there are still some now, but not as common as before.
Tucker Carlson: You were once famous for the worldview or ideology – or even religion – of “effective altruism”.Its core idea is to do the biggest good for the most people, and you make money to help as many people as possible.Some people point out that ironically, about 1 million people lost money when your company went bankrupt.So, in the effort you described as “doing the greatest good for the most people”, a lot of people are hurt.I wonder if all this makes you rethink the principles of effective altruism?
SBF: This did not make me rethink these principles.Obviously, I feel very bad about what happened.This is not what I want, nor is it anyone’s original intention.If you mess it up, the results may be different.Eventually people get their money back, but the waiting process is painful.What they got back was dollars, not the original form.And most of the good things I originally wanted to do for the world disappeared with the collapse of the company.
Tucker Carlson: I want to say that I find it difficult for most people to understand the idea: Helping someone you have never seen before is more worthy or valuable than helping someone in front of you.In other words, helping your wife, girlfriend, mother, daughter, brother, college roommate is more valuable than helping a village in a country you have never been to.I think this is the intuitive feeling of most people.But you don’t agree.
SBF: I don’t agree, but there is a prerequisite.Indeed, a classic mistake that people often make—I have made at some point—is when you don’t really know people who are far away from you, but think you know what they need.This is a bit like a condescending attitude.You know, there are a lot of international aid programs that end up failing, completely wasting money because no one really understands the lives of those who are being given.They just guess what the other party needs, and the result is often wrong.For example, they took a bunch of water pumps to a Fijian village that was not short of water but lacked food.These people dropped out of Harvard to distribute these pumps that no one wanted.Similar examples abound.And when you help people you know, you obviously know more about how to help them.This effect is real.Even if I think life in one place is as important as life in another, it doesn’t mean you are equally clear about how to help everyone.
Tucker Carlson: I think you are refuting your position.I mean, my problem with effective altruism is that it’s too easy.For example, eradicating polio is easy, but it is very difficult to make the same woman happy for 30 years.So, maybe it makes more sense to do something harder.
SBF: What I want to say is that taking malaria as an example, no one in the United States has died of malaria, and basically no one is.But around the world, about one million people still die from malaria each year, which is horrible.This is a disease we should have eradicated and we should definitely address it globally.But because it is “easy” to some extent, this should not stop us from helping others.You see, if we invest resources into many interventions in the world’s poorest areas, the scale of resources required is actually not large.If you do it efficiently, it won’t have much impact on our domestic aid.But efficiency is the key.You can distribute useless water pumps to villages without food, but that won’t help anyone.
Tucker Carlson: Yes, I think you make sense.Aid to Africa over the past 60 years has proven this, despite the decline in life expectancy.But as a moral question, how can you prove that your cousin is addicted to Xanax while worrying about malaria?Shouldn’t you solve this problem first?
SBF: If I can.But at the end of the day, each of us has a responsibility.If I know my cousin well and know how to solve this problem, it is absolutely my responsibility to do it.But if I try and can’t make progress and I can save lives internationally, or someone can do it, then I don’t think it’s weakening the good things they can do internationally, even if they can’t solve their own family’s problems.
Tucker Carlson: OK, I understand what you mean.I don’t think this is a crazy point of view.Last question: Can you think of a recent clearly successful international aid project?
SBF: It’s OK to some extent, but I won’t specifically mention which project it is.This is not a government project, but a private project.In fact, malaria is a good example.Through primarily private donations, the global incidence of malaria has dropped significantly, especially in Africa and India, which may save hundreds of thousands of lives each year, with an average cost of several thousand dollars per life saving.This is an amazing success from a relative scale.
We are not talking about $1 trillion, we are talking about billions of dollars, and these funds are being used to combat malaria through very careful work.Of course, you can also see that some government projects are completely invalid.If you are looking for a successful government project, the Marshall Plan may be a great example—although it goes back a long time ago—it rebuilds Germany after World War II, and it was a huge success in many ways.
Tucker Carlson: Yes, although we may have ruined all this by blowing up the Nord Stream pipeline.But you’re right.How old are you now?
Can SBF really be released from prison?
SBF: To be honest, I have to think about it.In prison, time becomes blurry, and every day is mixed together like the day before.The answer is, tomorrow is my birthday, so now I am 32, but I will be 33 soon.
Tucker Carlson: How do you plan to celebrate your birthday?
SBF: I won’t celebrate.I didn’t celebrate my birthday much when I was outside, and celebrating another year in prison is nothing to be excited about.
Tucker Carlson: So you won’t tell Diddy that tomorrow is your birthday?I don’t believe it.
SBF: Maybe someone will tell him, but I don’t have this plan.
Tucker Carlson: Well, you’ll be 33 tomorrow.If you were not pardoned, according to the current situation, how old would you be when you were released from prison?
SBF: This is a complicated calculation, and I don’t know the details completely because there is a possibility of a commutation of sentence.If I simply add my sentence to my age, the answer is to be close to 50 years old.
Tucker Carlson: Can you bear it?
SBF: Sorry, I said it wrong.If all possible commutation is added, it may be in your 50s.But the correct answer is, I was 32 years old when I was convicted and had a 25-year prison term, so it was 57 years old.
Tucker Carlson: You have served 2 years in prison and 23 years.Do you think you can hold on?
SBF: This is a good question.I’m not sure.The hardest thing is that there is no meaningful thing to do here.You see, there are studies that show that the suicide rate in prison is about three times that of normal.So, multiplying the 25-year sentence by 3, plus the 32-year-old I was convicted, I might get an answer.Maybe.
Tucker Carlson: I think this is a bit strange.You are probably the most extreme example of the people I’ve talked to, jumping from one world to another completely different world.You used to be in the world of digital currency, but now you are in a world without money.What is the medium of exchange in prison?
SBF: You know, it’s what people have on hand.For example, muffins, the kind of small muffins that are wrapped in plastic, are like you see at the gas station counter, placed in a plastic ball containing individually packaged muffins that were placed at room temperature a week ago.Imagine that kind of thing, that’s the standard.Either a pack of ramen soup, or a pack of fish that looks nauseous and soaked in oil, it is also at room temperature.
Tucker Carlson: So, you’re moving from cryptocurrency to muffin economy.That’s right.How do you compare the two?Obviously, muffins are more difficult to circulate internationally, but as a currency, what do you think?
SBF: In the short term, muffins are unlikely to become a global strategic reserve currency.They are a demand currency, have no other purpose, and do not have much recommended value.But at the end of the day, they are a bit interchangeable.Although not completely interchangeable, it is close enough.The two muffins are almost the same, so you can exchange them with them.They can still be used as long as the transaction amount is not more than $5.But if you want to make a $200 deal with muffins, that’s not realistic.
Tucker Carlson: Too bulky.
SBF: That’s right.One thing you realize quickly is that everything in the prison has shrunk.You’ll see people fighting for a banana, not because they care about that banana, but because they don’t have other outlets to vent.
Tucker Carlson: This sounds cruel.Do you eat those muffins?Or just trade with them?
SBF: I just trade with them.I don’t eat them.I mainly eat rice, beans and ramen.
Tucker Carlson: It looks like this is good for you.Do you have a tattoo?
SBF: I don’t.I know some people have it, but I don’t.
Tucker Carlson: Have you ever thought about it?
SBF: I did think of tattoos before.But after talking to the inmates about their disinfection procedures—or lack of disinfection—that the idea was dispelled.I’m no longer interested in tattoos and it’s not worth the risk of hepatitis.They will only disinfect after using needles for four or five people.
Why did everyone around SBF abandon him?
Tucker Carlson: OK, so you won’t have a tattoo.Now that you’ve left the outside world and faced a 23-year prison term, I wonder, the people you’ve helped — I mean, you went to jail because you hurt people, but you also helped a lot of people in Washington by donating millions of dollars.Did any of them call you and say “Good luck and hope you’re going well”?Or did they say nothing?
SBF: I received a lot of friendly news from people, including some in Washington, right after the crash.But six months later, no one contacted me.When it was time for trial, I was put in jail and there was no news again.It became too politically sensitive and people were reluctant to risk contacting me.I even heard that someone said good things about me in private, but no one wanted to contact me directly.
Tucker Carlson: Has anyone contacted you?I noticed that someone who thought it was your girlfriend who had been testifying in court to accuse you.Do you have friends who have always been loyal to you?Or almost nothing?
SBF: Yes, but very few.I later realized that anyone close to me would eventually be threatened.They were told there were two options, one of which could mean decades of imprisonment.Ryan Salem is the most heartbreaking example, and from a government perspective, the most disgusting example.They accused him of committing some totally ridiculous crimes.He said, “No, we meet in court.” So the government came back and said, “Okay, what about your pregnant wife? What if we put her in jail?” So he pleaded guilty because the government threatened to detain his wife.No legal system would allow the prosecutor to do so.Moreover, he was not even charged with most of the charges of other plead guilty.Ryan did not testify at the trial because he did not want to lie or say what the government wanted him to say.As a result, he got four times more sentence than the other three people combined.The information conveyed cannot be more clear.Is it because he is a Republican or because he refuses to cooperate with the government’s lies at trial?I can only think of these two reasons, and they will sentence him to seven and a half years in prison.
Tucker Carlson: This is so disgusting.I interviewed him at home.I think they also accused his wife.What they do is completely immoral.
SBF: Total agreement.They broke their promises, which completely shattered their notion of integrity.This is so disgusting.He is a good person and he shouldn’t bear it.
Tucker Carlson: Did you realize that the outside world is changing so quickly?By the time you are released from prison, the world may be completely different from when you left.For example, the development of AI sounds like we are approaching general artificial intelligence (AGI) or some kind of singularity.
SBF: Yes, I feel this deeply.It’s a feeling that the world is moving forward while you are left behind.
Tucker Carlson: Is having children a part of your effective altruistic philosophy?
SBF: No.Different people in the community have different opinions on this.Over the past five years, I feel like I have about 300 kids every day—my staff.Obviously, I can’t treat them all like my father, but I have a responsibility for them.I feel very sad that their work has been ruined.But when I was running FTX, I had little personal life.Now in prison, I obviously have no conditions to have children.
Tucker Carlson: Has anyone of those 300 employees visited you in prison?
SBF: No.I think the answer is no.One or two people may have been here.
Tucker Carlson: You should probably consider having a few real kids at some point because when things get worse, they will be with you.
SBF: This made me think about what is really relying on and how much intimidation can be achieved in some systems in our country.But it also made me realize how important it is to have people you can rely on.
Tucker Carlson: Everyone else is everything.SBF, I appreciate you taking this interview, probably the only time you haven’t been asked about business because that’s someone else’s business.But I’m so glad to talk to you about this and hope you say hello to Diddy on our behalf.
SBF: Sure.
Tucker Carlson: I can’t believe you and Diddy are in the same prison.
SBF: I know, right?Three years ago I would have found it interesting if someone told me that I would be with Diddy every day.I guess he’s also involved in cryptocurrencies?
Tucker Carlson: Life is so weird.I wish you all the best, thank you.It seems YouTube is suppressing the show.In a way, it’s not surprising, that’s what they do.But from another perspective, it’s shocking.At a time when so much changes happen in the world, in our economy and politics, on the brink of war, Google decides that you should get less information than more.This is completely wrong.What can you do tomorrow?We can complain, but that’s a waste of time.We have no control over Google.Or we can find ways to bypass it so that you can really get real information, rather than deliberately misleading information.
