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Source: Tencent News
Our world is being impacted by a number of new technological forces.
The first stock isOpenAIThe power of artificial intelligence represented by it is evolving into the mainstream that dominates the world’s technological trends.The second stock isWeb3, encryption technology and blockchain.The two forces have become very different in the past two years.
2024Year11Month, we meet Ethereum founder Vitalik·Butling (Vitalik Buterin), he stands in encryption technology (Crypto) The other side of the world overlooks artificial intelligence.In his eyes, artificial intelligence is intervening in human emotions, thoughts and even subconsciousness in a seemingly equal, intimate and harmless attitude, and it will likely build an unprecedented powerful center of power through this.A technological revolution will push the fate of all mankind“Game of Thrones”.
Butlin isWeb3The spiritual leader of the Ethereum he founded ranks second in the industry, second only to Bitcoin.Since Satoshi Nakamoto, the founder of Bitcoin, never showed up, Butlin became the spokesperson for the field.His experience also added legendary color to him.
Butling was born in1994In 2018, his parents divorced when they were young and immigrated to Canada from Russia.he19A year-old college dropout founded Ethereum,20Become the youngest crypto billionaire in his life.In China, people call him“Vgod”.He just passed this year30Birthday.
Butling is trying to illustrate a technical philosophy.In his perception,AIandCryptoIt represents two underlying philosophy.AITechnology is more centralized and powerful, and it intends to make human civilization and technology stronger;CryptoInstead, it advocates a decentralized, equal survivalist philosophy.andAIDifferent from the few fortresses around the world,CryptoThe strongholds are scattered around the world and are even more suitable for marginal areas.Using Silicon Valley InvestorsPeter ThielWords:“Cryptotech is liberalism, and artificial intelligence is communism.”(Crypto is libertarian and AI is communist.”)
“Now everyone uses itChatGPT, like chatting with a friend.but10After the New Year, everyone will tell you all your thoughtsChatGPT.If your artificial intelligence has no privacy, you are a person with no privacy, including privacy without thoughts.”Butling said,“If it is centralization, it means that a large company can read your thoughts——This is very dangerous.”
Butling’s living conditions seem to match the technical ideas he advocates.Our meeting took place in a simple office space, and the agreed time was early morning8Click, he7point40It’s here.He was alone, with a khaki canvas bag with cat patterns under his armpit. In the bag was a Dell computer, which he bought for distributed artificial intelligence.There is also a plastic watch with kitten patterns on the wrist.He always travels through the discrete clothesWeb3Between communities.
Butling Club6The best languages are English, Russian and Chinese.The conversation is held in Chinese.
He looks a little bit green andnerd(Negotiable), he searched the appropriate Chinese characters from his mind to express his difficult technical vocabulary.The staff poured him a cup of tea. He repeatedly rubbed the small label on the tea bag with his hands, folded it up and put it down, picked it up and spread it out, and folded it up again.…
If one day, the ultimate power of artificial intelligence may“Big brother”To destroy humanity, what you representCryptoWill the Kingdom come to save humanity?
“This question is quite complicated.”Butling said.
The following is the full text of the conversation.(For the sake of reading, the author has done some text optimization)
The author took it on the scene, the picture shows Vitalik Buterin
one,“LLM is very powerful”
“Absolute”: You are commemorating yourself30The blog post of 2019The end of my childhood》 (The End of My Childhood) says:“One thing that fascinates me with modern AI is that it allows us to engage in different ways mathematically and philosophically the hidden variables that guide human interaction: AI can make‘resonance’Clear and easy to read.”Can you tell me what you are in your heartAI?
Butling:Philosophers especially like to describe it with the latest technological analogy: what a man is.100-200Years ago, we had industrial civilization and early robots. They had no brains and had the first step.automation(automation).They say that man is a machine.Recently, everyone is interested in quantum technology. Many people say, is the human brain also a quantum?I don’t think so.What do people think?Sometimes it’s nonsense.But people will think in this way: What is the same between a human and a computer?What is the same between a person and a factory?What are the similarities between humans and animals?Understand humans in this way.
Now, the latest technology is the new generation of artificial intelligence technology:LLM(Large Language Model, big language model).Let’s seeLLMThe concept is very complex, but it is very powerful——It can do a lot of things, we don’t know how it is done——It’s a black box.
LLMThe difference between it and ordinary programs is: if you delete a line of code at random, the entire code may crash, which is special.fragile(frail);LLM, If you make some small changes, it will not affect the basic functions. If you only change a little, the output will only change a little.
so,LLMEspecially like humans and animals,biological life(Life at the biological level).
AnthropicDo research, the research goal is to look at a relatively small oneLLMIn eachparameterWhat concepts does (parameters) represent?They found thatLLMYou can see it in——For example, thisparameterRepresents red, thisparameterRepresentative lettersA,thatparameterRepresents capitalism.Including some particularly advanced concepts, you can see them.
I’ve posted two pictures, it’s meChatGPTSay: The person who draws an extreme Bitcoin is also similar to the person who draws an extreme Ethereum.There are exaggerated tycoons on the left, and Ethereum on the right is playing with computers.geek(Geek).Can be passedAIIt can be seen that there are cultural differences between Bitcoin and Ethereum.passAI, We can think about the concepts of many people and society, and thus understand ourselves more.
“Personal”: In the past two years, artificial intelligence and large language models have replaced themWeb3, encryption technology and blockchain have become the mainstream of global technology trends.StandingCryptoOn the other side of the technology wave, watching the artificial intelligence revolution with crowds across the river, what are you thinking?
Butling:Blockchain and artificial intelligence have completely different functions.Artificial intelligence is a tool in the short term, and everyone can use it to improve efficiency.For example, if I write code or article, especially do things that I am not good at.ChatGPTIt’s most helpful to me.But in the long run, will artificial intelligence be smarter than humans?Sure, but I don’t know5Year or50After the New Year.
Blockchain solves the trust problem.If you want to make applications, these applications require many people to participate, operate and communicate with each other.They don’t have a trust center, and blockchain applications can solve this problem.There are many trust issues in our world, and these issues are more important than10It was even more prominent before the New Year.
butCryptoField, recent5A question in the year: Everyone’s dreams and hopes are high, but technology cannot fulfill most of the dreams.2020Year and2021There is this problem in the year: the transaction fees for Ethereum, Bitcoin and all chains are very high, and you have to pay for a very simple transaction.1USD or3USD transaction fees.Most of the applications you want to do, except finance, are not allowed.But this year, Ethereum expansion project,Layer2On the transaction fee0.5The dollar has been reduced to sometimes0.005Dollar.Many previously impossible applications are now possible.
This has happened many times in the computer field: for a long time, everyone has an idea, but it requires computer technology,CPUOnly when the speed and Internet traffic are upgraded to a certain level, these things are finally possible.future1Year,2Year,3In 2018, this trend isWeb3It will happen too.
“Absolute”:Cryptofield,Super AppWill be in the future3Does the year appear?
Butling:I sometimes think of a longer-term question:AppWill this concept be10After the New Year, will there be a lot of changes?
NowApp, is that you have a computer or a mobile phone, the mobile phone has an interface where you do something through buttons on the interface.But due to artificial intelligence, our interaction methods with computers and the Internet have changed a lot.
In the field of artificial intelligence, startups say that there is nowAITechnology, we doAIapplication.Some (projects) have succeeded.But most of you will find that: In fact, you don’t need any applications.Whatever they want to do, you can just followChatGPTexplain,ChatGPTGive them an answer.So I’m thinking about the futureSuper AppCould this be it?You can useAIcommunicate directly with computers, mobile phones or any device,AIYou will know what you want to do and it will help you do these things.
“Perception”: The artificial intelligence technology revolution will intensify centralization, so is its development becoming further and further away from the world you imagined?
Butling:This question is very complicated.I’ve used it recentlyAII found an interesting point: I did something that many people have done before but I am not good at.ChatGPTVery useful for me; but I do some particularly cutting-edge things like complex cryptography, maybe only me and others1000People have done it,AIIt didn’t help me at all.
on the one hand,AIYou can get some equal results and let some people do things they are not good at.
on the other hand,ChatGPTIt is a very centralized application.You useChatGPTWhen you have to fully believe that it will not expose your various data.I think this question10Year and20After the year, it will become particularly obvious.
Now everyone uses itChatGPT, like chatting with a friend.but10After the New Year, everyone will tell you all your thoughtsChatGPT.Maybe we will have some, for exampleBCI(Brain-computer interface), in-depth connection between humans and robots appears.If your artificial intelligence has no privacy, you are a person with no privacy, including privacy without thoughts.This is the first question.
The second question is that if it is a centralized company, it can be turned off at any time, change the rules and service conditions at any time.Whether you are a person, a company, or a country, once you start relying on these, risks arise.
so,AIThere are many advantages and these problems.
I know many people are starting to open sourceAI,Decentralized AI.Actually, I will use these things myself.I bought a computer on purpose——(Buttering turned around and took out the computer to display it from the canvas bag)——This computer hasGPU, there is Nvidia4070, I can run some on my computerLLM.
When I don’t need itChatGPTThe highest level of quality, I can do it on my own computer.I found this to have an advantage, and when I don’t have the internet, it’s OK.Decentralize AI(DecentralizedAI) is very important.
2. “OpenAI first sacrifices open source for security, and the second sacrifices security for benefits”
“Vision”: I’m very curious, what do you thinkOpenAIThis company?Is it possible that it will be the biggest, or even the end-of-the-scene monopoly?
Butling:OpenAIThe story is very interesting.On the one hand, it makes a particularly useful tool for everyone.
I can’t say everyone.becauseChatGPTThere are twolevel: The first onelevelIt’s free; the secondlevelPrice is every month20US dollars can be used by some countries, but not by some countries.This tool is especially useful, especially when I get into a field that I am not good at.
butOpenAIThere is a problem, at the beginningElon Musk(Musk) Seeing many large Silicon Valley companies doing artificial intelligence, he is worried that if artificial intelligence is done by them, will it become particularly centralized?There are a lot of risks, so he opened itOpenAI.and5After the year, becauseAIAlthough they did not say that they could not be open source, they modified the definition——openIt means their service isopenof.
“Absolute”: It has becomeCloseAI.
Butling:Yes, they becameCloseAI.Today, another problem arose: first, they sacrificed their open source for security; then this year, they sacrificed their security for profit.
Last year, the company and the board of directors clashed, and after the conflict, it seemedSam Altman(OpenAICEO) Win.Recently they announced that they would change from a non-profit to a profitable company, reducing the power of the board of directors——It can be said to be reduced toadvisor(Consultant) level.This makes me more worried.
“Civil”: I interviewed Dr. Kai-Fu Lee a few days ago, who is a Chinese artificial intelligence scientist, investor and entrepreneur.He has several paragraphs of discussion, and I want to hear whether you agree with it.
He said:“The first one to makeAGIThe one who crushes the opponent must be a global business monopoly, and it has the ambition to become an ultimate monopoly.“OpenAIIt is a particularly powerful monopoly company.Sam AltmanProbably become the largest monopoly ever.Although he has no monopoly today, his ambitions, strategies, and one, two, and three moves are clearly understood.I admire him very much.But from the perspective of a practitioner, I am also very worried.”
Butling:That’s it.
“Vision”: So, what do you thinkSam AltmanThis person?
Butling:I’ve seen him only once, and it’s harder to judge him.The only thing I can see is how he did it.He isOpenAII don’t agree with these things I do.
He doesWorldcoin(World Coin) project, I think the idea is good, I don’t thinkWorldcoinIt should be the only way to digital identity in the world, but it is solving a problem that really needs to be solved.I’m withWorldcoinThe team communicates a lot, and they care more about all the issues I will care about.
But there is still this problem, do“The next global currency”, it is very difficult.You want to do this, and many people will object.Two conditions are required to do this kind of thing——This is very interesting——First, the world needs to believe in you; second, everyone needs to know that there is a mechanism that makes them not need to believe in you.They’ve been lately1There are many improvements in the year, and I hope to continue to develop in a better direction.
“Cantonese”: You just said that on the one hand, you must trust this person, and on the other hand, you must know that you do not need to trust this person.SamIs this condition satisfied?
Butling:NowOpenAII feel unsatisfied.
“Perception”:Ilya Sutskever(OpenAIKey people such as chief scientists leaveOpenAIWill it have an impact on the artificial intelligence pattern?
Butling:This isred flag(Rock Sign), you need to worry about it.
Many people leave, not necessarily100%It means there is something wrong with this company.At the beginning of Ethereum, there were manyco-founder(Co-founder) left.If someone leaves or is resigned, it always means that there are some conflicts behind it and some values are different.Details need to be found.
lookOpenAII think this company’s first step sacrifices open source for security, and the second step sacrifices security for profit.This reminds me of the United StatesFounding father(founder) sentence: You cannot sacrifice freedom for safety. If you do this, you will find that both safety and freedom you will not have.You seeOpenAIIt seems like this happened to the behavior.
“Perception”:Sam AltmanAnd you, who should humans trust more?
Butling:I don’t want to answer this.(laugh)
three,“Bio and silicon merge,It’s the only one that humans can participate insuper intelligence”
“Vision”: How to understandPeter Thiel(Founders FundFounding Partner) That sentence:“Cryptotech is liberalism, and artificial intelligence is communism.”
Butling:I think what he means is:AIIt is centralized,CryptoIt is decentralization.AIWhere does the power come from?The first is the power of computing, and the second is data.
If you have more computing power, yourAIWill be stronger; if you have more data, yoursAIIt will be stronger.AIIt’s something with special power.The bestAIIt’s the biggestAI.If you want to make oneAI, the easiest is to put the computing power and data in one place.
You can see nowAIAlmost all companies are in the world3-4some places, Silicon Valley, London, China (several cities);CryptoThe community and projects are particularly scattered, with the Ethereum Foundation, only people in the United States25%, where else?It’s everywhere.There are more in Germany, more in the UK, more in Singapore, and several developers in China.Every country has it, why?CryptoWhat you do is different.
CryptoWhere is the most useful?It is some places that are relatively marginal and have no centralized trust centers.
“Animal”: Where there is no centralized power?This means it is not the protagonist of the world.
Butling:CryptoThe goal is that you can make some applications. In these applications, everyone can see the application rules and contracts. Not everyone can read them by themselves, but at least many people can review the code and everyone can participate. Blockchain is globalizedSomething.so,AIandCryptoSome of the characteristics of this are really in different directions.
“Canny”: The underlying values are different.
Butling:right.And, it is different why people participate in these areas.The common reason is money.The difference is what people want to do in these areas.
participateAIPeople are particularly concerned about the development of human technology, hoping to accelerate human beings into cross-planet civilizations and make human beings morePowerful, make yourself morePowerful.Those who participate in blockchain will care about decentralized trust issues, social fairness issues, etc.
“Perception”:AIandCryptoWill it go to two branches or will it meet?If we go toward the intersection or toward the more extreme two branches, what will we see by that day?
Butling:The function of Crypto is to make a game, and the game you make may have many goals.Trading can be said to be a game.Another example is the prediction market. Polymarket (a prediction market project) has been more successful this year.
Crypto can make a game, and use smart contracts to execute game rules more securely, and AI can participate in this game.If only people participate, sometimes the efficiency is not high enough.For example, in the forecast market, I have played a lot on Polymarket this year.I found that their results were not very high 4 years ago, and this year was much higher than 4 years ago.Why?One reason is that there is more liquidity.Last year, it may be 1 million or 10 million US dollars, but this year, it may be 100 million or 200 million.But I also found that the answers to matters with low liquidity this year are also relatively good.
So, it is very likely that AI is participating now.AI’s reaction (feedback) speed is very fast.To do this, one person needs to stay on the computer for 24 hours, watching all the news every minute and every second.And an LLM, you let it run, it can do it yourself.
I think there will be more examples in the future, maybe in the social field, maybe in other fields.Crypto is a security underlying layer. Through Crypto, a game can be made to ensure that the rules of this game are fair.The role of AI is participation.
“Such”: So it’s notCryptoparticipateAIThe game, butAIparticipateCryptoThe game?
Butling:right.
“Perception”: One day, if the ultimate power of artificial intelligence may be“Big brother”To destroy humanity, what you representCryptoWill the Kingdom come to save humanity?
Butling:This question is quite complicated.CryptoThe function is to make the rules of the game without solving specific problems.
There are a lot of things people want to do——I hope to live longer and live more comfortable, so I can go to Mars.In order to do this, it is necessary to solve the problem of coordination between people.If you are on an island, there are only you and no one else,CryptoIt’s totally useless.CryptoThe only function is to solve the problems between people.But you are the only one on the island.AIIt is useful.By this example, you can know thatCryptoIt cannot directly solve your problem, but indirectly solve your problem.CryptoWe are making games, but we still need people, robots or other things to participate in these games.
If you want to seeCryptoHow to save the world?It’s impossible justCrypto, butCrypto +Some other stuff.ThatCrypto +What?
●The first one may beCrypto + Decentralized AI;
●The second possibility isCrypto +One can be replacedAItechnology.
What technology can be replacedAI?The only answer is that people and computers do a deeper interoperability.In the past two years,VR,AR, the meta universe is relatively hot, for exampleMetaGlasses, what are these technical characteristics?Communication, traffic and efficiency between the human brain and machines can become higher.
You wear itMetaGlasses, glasses can directly see where you are looking.Now the computer can receive some awareness of yourConscious); If you can see your eyes and body through glasses, they will follow your subconscious mind (Subconscious) Direct communication.
What’s interesting is that the traffic flow between the left and right parts of a person’s brain is not particularly high.If we can communicate between a person and a machine with particularly efficient communication, high traffic and fast enough time, the computer will really become a part of you.
Why am I interested in this direction?Because there must be something smarter than humans,10Year,100Year or1000Year.But is this something smarter than humans a thing that will surpass us in independence, or can we become part of this thing?——I think the second method is particularly interesting.
Perspective: We become part of it?
Butling:Yes, or it becomes part of us, is merger——Bio and silicon technology will merge together——This technology is the only one that we humans can participate insuper intelligence(Super Smart).
If we don’t do this, the only possibility is that a single computer is smarter than us, they will control the world, and people have no power to influence the world.
If you want to do this direction, you need to use the right way.Now there isNeuralink(The brain-computer interface company founded by Musk), but this technology has a risk, and there is a computer that can read your mind and your brain.If it is not open source, it is centralized, and it is to send your information to a server.This means that a big company can read your thoughts, which is very dangerous.So I hopesoftware(Software) andhardware(Hardware) two parts, we have open source and respect security.
CryptoHow to participate?The first is the business model.Open source technology always has one disadvantage, it is difficult to find money.If you do something centralized and controlled by yourself, there are many ways to make a lot of money.As for open source technology, everyone can download and use it. It doesn’t need to have anything to do with you after using it.Its technology has advantages, but its disadvantage is that it is difficult to make money.andCryptoThere are many ways to respect open source to make money.
If we passCryptoSupports some open source technologies, and more open source may appearBCI, more open source artificial intelligence, more open source everything.
“Absolute”: It sounds like,AIThe architecture isCryptosuperior?
Butling:The business model can beCryptoSome of the above can also be usedCryptoTechnology makes another architecture.
One thing I haven’t said yet is that some interesting new ones have been recentlyCryptoTechnology, includingPC(Programmable Cryptography, programmable cryptography),FHE(full homomorphic encryption).The advantage is that you can make oneAI,thisAIYou can do calculations with your privacy data, but no one or other computers know your privacy data.It uses your data to calculate, but it won’t see what the data is.These techniques from1982It was possible in the past year, but this technology has reached a stage where more applications can be used.
“Civilization”: In the field of artificial intelligence, who do you appreciate and admire the most, and who do you dislike the most?
Butling:Wow, this…There is no obvious example.I respect those who keep their principles for a long time.recent5There are many external changes in the year, and many people will change their minds.It’s not necessarily because of your own reasons, most of them are bad reasons.——For example, a team I don’t like has an idea, so I need to have an idea to hit them (press) them.
There are not many people who are willing to stay open-minded and have principles for a long time.If they have, I will respect it.
4. “If you issue a currency, build an exchangeIt’s the only thing we do,Then this industry is a failure.”
Perspective: Given the recent popularity of AI and its attractiveness to young talents, what advice would you give to aspiring but hesitant technologists between blockchain and AI career choices?
Butling:The most important thing is what you are interested in.
“Personal”: Objectively speaking, the prosperity of artificial intelligence in the past two years will causeCryptoIs cooling occurring?
Butling:There must be.Will participate beforeCryptoSome people, becauseAIDevelop well and participateAINow.
I found three types of people:
●The first is that their goal may be to do some of the most important things, whatever it is, to be big, influential, and part of human history.Or make more money.
●The second type is forCryptoSpecific reasons, such as caring about currency, open source issues, or caring about trust, human freedom issues, etc.They have been on the blockchain and will not goAI.
●The third type is that they want to make money, but the quality of their work will be a little lower.
I have a concern: If a person with a particularly wise person does not do itCrypto, stayCryptoPeople in the field may not have any interesting ideas. The only application is that everyone has been doing financial applications for many years.This will become a situation——Send a coin, make an exchange; send a coin, make an exchange; send a coin, make an attractive dog on this coin——These things are fun, but if they are the only ones that our industry does, then this industry fails.
The challenge for our industry is to make an application that is meaningful and that many people like to participate in at the same time.
I recently discovered that there are many people who want to do this now.2022 and 2023 are very dangerous times, and AI has succeeded, but Crypto has not yet succeeded.Everyone knows that AI’s LLM is very awesome, what can you do with ChatGPT?But Layer2 has not yet come out, or is in a particularly early stage, and the transaction fees are very high.So in 2022 and 2023, there is the biggest difference between what AI and Crypto can do.
But this yearCryptoThe power has increased a lot, and many developers have begun to want to make some applications that are meaningful and that many users like to participate in.ifCryptoThis field continues to be successful, and many people will still choose to participateCrypto.
“Canny”: I told me that people from the Chinese venture capital industry around me are coming to see you today. Many people asked me to ask you the same question: How do you view the Ethereum ecosystem or the entire one for so many years?Web3There are still no products that are practically applied in the ecosystem?
Butling:My answer is what I just said.Before this year, the transaction fees were too high, some important technologies were not mature, account security issues were not solved, privacy issues were not solved, and many problems were not solved.So, before this year, our industry did not have enough technology to be used as an application that ordinary people could participate in.The only successful application isDeFiOne reason is thatDeFiMake more money.
If you add your money10You are willing to do it even if it is technically difficult.If there is30%The probability that your account will be stolen. If you encounter a problem, your money will be gone, but if you win, your money will be increased.10You are likely to participate.
But if you want to do something more ordinary, the goal is not to increase your money10, but protect your money, protect your identity, or participate in some other apps.If technical difficulty and safety issues are not resolved, you will not participate.
This year, we finally started to solve these problems.This year is the best time to make meaningful applications.
“Cantonese”: Isn’t you what you want to keep trading coins?
Butling:no.
“Canogue”: What do you want?What do you want to promote the world?
Butling:I hope the world is fairer and more open, and to make some applications that can solve important trust problems.If you want to build a fair and open world, solving the problem of trust is a necessary first step.Why are many things not so good?Because everyone doesn’t know who to believe.
You can watchCryptoApplication cases.In countries facing many financial problems, such as Argentina, they will be politeCryptoSpecial interest.
●First, this is a reliable financial system. They can put money in it, and the money will not be gone one day.
●Second, they can connect with mainstream finance, which many people useCrypto, working in a U.S. or European company, they can earn U.S. and European level wages, send money to their own country, to themselves or their family, and participate in fairer global matters.
●Third, there are other applications.For example, people like to say words such as identity or credit system, but they all want to solve one problem, which is the issue of trust, and hope to know who you can trust.Now there is a topic: know who is a human and who is a robot.
If we use a decentralized solution, it will be easier for us to make some safe applications that can be used by people around the world.This can avoid a risk: the division of the world.
“Absolute”: It soundsCryptoMore suitable for places where trust is lacking and fairness is lacking;AIMore suitable for pursuing stronger human power——These are two completely different human ideals.Will it beCryptoIt is a country like Argentina that is igniting.AIWhat is ignited are countries like China and the United States. From a global perspective, is the ignited territory different?
Butling:We all need to improve our abilities in the long run.If we have a perfect, fair and decentralized system, and the ability of people who do things does not improve, we will still lag behind after a period of time.
CryptoTechnology outside, includingAI, biological sciences, the whole world needs to participate.But there are different ways to do these technologies.If you want to use a decentralized and more open approach, it mayCryptoWill participate in part.In a short time, different countriesCryptoofAdoption(Using) will be completely different.
For example, Argentina has basic financial problems.For example, in the United States, these problems do not exist most of the time.CryptoWhat worked most for me was to donate money to some international charities.It’s hard to pass through a banking machine,CryptoVery easy.In developed countries, the most commonly used technology is for those who want to participate in international markets and society.In smaller countries,Appchain(Application Chain)AdoptionMore.
I don’t know how these things will change in the long run.
“Vision”: I have a very basic understanding.For ordinary people, what is the difference between a centralized application and a decentralized application?
Butling:I can give you a specific example.We’ve had some decentralizations latelySocialFiApplication, successful in Ethereum,LensandFarcasterare two easiest examples to understand.FarcasterandTwitterWhat’s the difference?
existTwitter, First, its algorithm is completely opaque; Second, if you thinkTwitterNo, you don’t like what it is doing and want to move to another app for yoursnetworkThere is nothing.Anyone is rightTwitterDissatisfied, want to start making a new one.user base(User base) needs to0At first, the problem of network effects is particularly difficult to solve.
existFarcaster, the architecture is like this——The first layer is a decentralized network, and the second layer is an interface, where users can send messages and see the messages sent by others.A client that is used by most people is calledWarpcast,WarpcastIt’s decentralizedApp, you can download it yourself, it is very useful.A never participatedCryptoUsers can useWarpcast.But if you don’t like itWarpcast, don’t like what they do,FarcasterThere are many other clients, such asFirefly.If you don’t like itWarpcastYou can move toFirefly, you can passFireflyparticipateFarcasternetwork.The message you sent isWarpcastYou can see,WarpcastYou can also see the information sent by the user.
Decentralized bottom layer ensures that different clients can operate with each other and can solve the problemWarpcastIt becomes a monopoly situation.
This is a public and anyone can make a client.existFarcasterEcology, the open architecture has given some important advantages to some users.
“Vision”: What do you thinkCryptoSpeculators in the industry?Why are there many people like this in this industry?
Butling:Speculators are available in many fields, such as the stock market and sports gambling industry.Many people have this habit.
What should our industry do?First, if some people like to do some gamified finance, I hope to do italignmentsThe result of their participation in these things is that it is useful to their own country and society.
Second, we need to have some ways for them to expand their wealth in the long run.In most society around the world, people used to do real estate and bought houses, but the real estate market is very unfair to many people.Everyone doesn’t know whether to make money or lose money.If we areCryptoIt is also very good to do some financial products that can make money in the long term but are connected to the real economy.
Why didn’t it succeed before?First, regulation is not clear enough, but recently, regulation in many countries has become clearer.Second, the technology must be safe enough.
If you can increase your assets10You will be willing to face various risks.But the real economy won’t do this, it may be lower than3%, 8% or10%.If your reward is reasonable, you need to be concerned about safety issues.Now we solved it a little bit.I hope to give you some better financial options.
five,“I don’t have a nanny, a driver and a bodyguard”
“Cantonese”: You are very young and a billionaire. What is your current life?
Butling:and5There is not much difference before the New Year.I will go to different countries and participate in different activities.
More changes are that more people are looking for me to take photos.
“Animal”: Do you have a nanny, a driver, or a bodyguard?
Butling:None.There may be some major events.But most of the time it’s not.
“Permitive”: I see social media, including Chinese social media, often photographing you taking the subway in Singapore, why do you keep taking the subway?
Butling:Because Singapore’s subway is good.
“Animal”: What about in other countries?
Butling:Other countries are different. Some people are annoying to take a taxi without a subway or if they don’t have a subway.If I can walk, I will choose to walk, and I like to walk.
“Permanent”: Why do your bags and watches have cats?
Butling:Because cats are cute.
The author took a photo on the scene, Butling showed his watch
“Cantonese”: Did you buy it in Thailand?
Butling:No.The watch was given to me by a friend.compass(Compass) I found it myself on Amazon.The cat’s bag was given to me by my Thai friend.
“Absolute”: You said in an interview: When you were a child, you always heard stories like this. Some people are very rich, but they spend money on private jets, helicopters, luxury sports cars or other stupid things, and in the end they have nothing.I remember thinking about it, it was so stupid.So when you are rich, have you ever had any stupid thoughts?Have you succumbed to it or resisted it?
Butling:Emmm, I don’t know how to answer this.
“Canny”: In other words, has wealth made you lose?
Butling:I don’t think I think that way.
“Cantonese”: Do you often check the number in your bank account?
Butling:Not very good at it.
“Cision”: I was surprised how you can learn and master this language (if you have never lived in China for a long time)?
Butling:I am2013I started studying in the year and just gotten from universitydrop out(Drop school), write an article in Bitcoin Magazine.I decided to travel and see the world of bitcoin in China, the United States, and Europe.At this time, I saw some articles about China, talking about China’s Bitcoin community and projects, which was particularly interesting.
Many people told me that Chinese is the most difficult language to learn.This is a particularly interesting challenge, so I started to learn.From the beginning, through language software,2014I came to China for the first time in 2019 and started chatting with many Chinese friends.Just keep learning.
“Absolute”: You know many languages, it seems6Door?Know many languages,CryptoWas it helpful?
Butling:My best is in English, Russian and Chinese.After that, French was learned in Canadian schools,2014Year is here2019Learn French in 2019.I learned a little German and Spanish by myself.perhaps6I only know a little bit of other languages.
Actually there is.Interestingly, European languages are relatively easy to learn, very close to English, and come from Latin.Europeans speak English, and sometimes they can speak English better on technical topics.But for those who are not in Europe, this is not the case.It is especially helpful to speak Russian, Chinese, and a little Spanish in South America.
“Vision”: Now, what are the three most important things you think about in your mind?
Butling:First, what we need to do now to develop the Ethereum ecosystem, applications and communities.
Second, some macroscopic human problems we have mentioned, includingAI.
Third, there are many small technical matters, such as what I need to do today, what is the next article I want to write, and many small questions.
“Absolute”: How do you view the US election and the two current candidates? The result is coming soon.(Our dialogue before the results of the U.S. election were announced1Days to go)
Butling:Who will win today? It is possible20After the New Year,30After the New Year, it may not necessarily have a big impact.There are some trends that will happen no matter what happens today.Even if it doesn’t happen today, it may2028Years will happen too.If it doesn’t happen in the United States, it may happen in other countries too.Therefore, we mainly look at some long-term trends and global trends.10During this year, the world’s culture, technology, race and economy will definitely change a lot.
Perspective: As a cosmopolitanist or a builder of some kind of utopian community, you always try to break the old order and build a new one.So how do you view the marriage system of human beings? Do human beings still need marriage?
Butling:This topic may50There will be a lot of changes after the New Year.Everyone’s previous goals were first, financial security, and children.But nowadays, at least in developed countries, do not have urgent economic issues, so they can think more about life and what they like.And, many people don’t want to (having a baby).
The Internet has changed our social relations a lot.you30Moving from one city to another a year ago means you lost all your friends, and it is not the case now.If the situation changes, our lives will also change a lot.
“Canny”: Are you a free person now?
Butling:Sometimes you are free, sometimes you are not.
“Canny”: What are you not free?
Butling:So many people are in the Ethereum community.I always wonder what they are thinking and what they want to do.
“Canny”: Do you have any fear?
Butling:Have fear of insects.
